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Big Concern! 被通知且已补料，但NOC不够一年[FONT=宋体]看有无同样情况的[/FONT]TX[FONT=宋体]：[/FONT] [FONT=宋体]我[/FONT]2008[FONT=宋体]年[/FONT]4[FONT=宋体]月交简表时，[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]项尚未出台。看到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]的紧缺职业列表后，在紧张中等待，报了一丝侥幸心理（后面说明）。终于[/FONT]2008.12.29[FONT=宋体]收到北京使馆补料通知电子邮件：[/FONT]We have assessed your declared occupation(s) against the list of eligible occupations identified by the Ministerial instructions. As your occupation(s) is included in the list of eligible occupations, you are therefore requested to submit a full application.[FONT=宋体]事实上我只有一项[/FONT]NOC[FONT=宋体]符合[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]项之一[/FONT]0711[FONT=宋体]但工作年限只有半年。又想，[/FONT]VO[FONT=宋体]会先行审核申请是否符合条件，才会发补料通知。既然收到了补料通知，应该是符合条件。于是开始紧张补料，雅思，并于2009年4月下旬在规定期限里将全套申请材料寄出。现在使馆网站上申请进展状态为“档案正在审阅中”。[/FONT] [FONT=宋体]但这两天看了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]后，侥幸心理彻底破灭。这个[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]是[/FONT]2009.05.08[FONT=宋体]版本。文中最后部分给出了[/FONT]4[FONT=宋体]封拒签信的样本。其中最后一封为[/FONT]Refusal on Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]。[/FONT][FONT=宋体]文中有这样明确的表述：[/FONT]​ You have indicated that you have work experience in (an) occupation(s) with the following NOC code(s): LIST NOC CODES AND OCCUPATION TITLES. Although the NOC code(s) correspond(s) to the occupations specified in the Instructions, you do not have a minimum of one year of continuous full-time, or equivalent part-time, paid work experience in the occupation(s) in the last ten years. Since you did not provide evidence that you have work experience in the listed occupations, you do not meet the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions and your application is not eligible for processing.​ Any original documents you submitted with your application are being returned to you. IF ONLY PROCESSING FEE WAS SUBMITTED:​ The processing fee that you have paid is refundable. You will receive a cheque within four to six weeks.​ [FONT=宋体]根据这个表述，基本上是被判了“死刑”了。我的猜想是：简表阶段，使馆VO只是大略看一下NOC（1128后是CIU官员），并不仔细审核工作年限。在审阅全套申请材料时，VO肯定会重点审查。这样有任何不符合都不会被错过。[/FONT][FONT=宋体][/FONT] [FONT=宋体]可能有人会抱怨既然不符合条件为何要发补料通知。但根据上文，这种情况的拒签，申请费倒是可以退换。所以申请人也无话可说。[/FONT] [FONT=宋体]基本上是死心了。一年多来报的希望。。。。。。[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]各位TX如何评论？[/FONT]​

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回复: Big Concern!反正都交了，顺其自然吧。有听过不是紧缺职业的，但工作职责有跟紧缺重叠的也收到补料信了。也许你其他工作经验跟0711也有重叠，悉尼的VO也给你算进去了也不一定。等结果吧。投北京的结果很已然就出来了。祝你好运，有结果了上来说一下吧。

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回复: Big Concern!0P06是什么啊?楼主在哪里看到的呢?

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回复: Big Concern![FONT=宋体]今天又研读了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]，在第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT] Procedure: At the visa office [FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8.2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT] Applications made on or after February 27, 2008 ? Assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]有这样的注释：[/FONT]​Exceptions apply to applications received between February 27, 2008, and November 28, 2008. Someone who meets the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions today, but did not meet them on the application received date, should be assessed in relation to today's date and not the application received date. For someone who met the requirements as of the application received date, but no longer meets them, the reference point should be the application received date. The rule of thumb is to apply the requirements in a manner that favors the client. Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.​[FONT=宋体]大意如下：[/FONT]​227[FONT=宋体]到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]之间收到的申请的例外情况：[/FONT]​[FONT=宋体]对于现在符合移民部规定，但收到申请时不符合的人，按现在日期审理（即符合）。对于符合收到申请日期之前的规定，但现在不再符合，参考收到申请日期（即符合）。原则是按有利于申请者应用规定：移民部规定公布前申请人无法自行筛选。[/FONT]​​[FONT=宋体]如果应用这条注释到[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]种紧缺（另外还有[/FONT]AEO[FONT=宋体]类和临时工类），是否可理解为，[/FONT]227-1128[FONT=宋体]之间的申请，如果递交申请时（应按交简表日期）符合当时规定（大家都符合），但现在不符合（非紧缺），则按符合审理？[/FONT]​[FONT=宋体][/FONT]​[FONT=宋体]似乎又是一根稻草。。。[/FONT]​

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回复: Big Concern!至少1年紧缺职业，是肯定的.楼主的情况，VO 可能让你过了，也许能成功！

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赏 [FONT=宋体]今天又研读了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]，在第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT] Procedure: At the visa office [FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8.2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]Applications made on or after February 27, 2008 ? Assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]有这样的注释：[/FONT]​Exceptions apply to applications received between February 27, 2008, and November 28, 2008. Someone who meets the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions today, but did not meet them on the application received date, should be assessed in relation to today's date and not the application received date. For someone who met the requirements as of the application received date, but no longer meets them, the reference point should be the application received date. The rule of thumb is to apply the requirements in a manner that favors the client. Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.[FONT=宋体]大意如下：[/FONT]227[FONT=宋体]到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]之间收到的申请的例外情况：[/FONT][FONT=宋体]对于现在符合移民部规定，但收到申请时不符合的人，按现在日期审理（即符合）。对于符合收到申请日期之前的规定，但现在不再符合，参考收到申请日期（即符合）。原则是按有利于申请者应用规定：移民部规定公布前申请人无法自行筛选。[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]如果应用这条注释到[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]种紧缺（另外还有[/FONT]AEO[FONT=宋体]类和临时工类），是否可理解为，[/FONT]227-1128[FONT=宋体]之间的申请，如果递交申请时（应按交简表日期）符合当时规定（大家都符合），但现在不符合（非紧缺），则按符合审理？[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]似乎又是一根稻草。。。[/FONT]​点击展开...

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回复: Big Concern!1128前申请的，不符合的都被拒了。只有个别职业临近紧缺的批了。估计你也是其中一个。放心等吧。[/qu是否应该说还有很多227-1127间的case没开始审理，不是有状态变成：we rceceived your application on xxxxx 的tz吗?点击展开...

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回复: Big Concern![FONT=宋体]今天又研读了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]，在第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT] Procedure: At the visa office [FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8.2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]Applications made on or after February 27, 2008 ? Assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]有这样的注释：[/FONT]​ Exceptions apply to applications received between February 27, 2008, and November 28, 2008. Someone who meets the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions today, but did not meet them on the application received date, should be assessed in relation to today's date and not the application received date. For someone who met the requirements as of the application received date, but no longer meets them, the reference point should be the application received date. The rule of thumb is to apply the requirements in a manner that favors the client. Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.​ [FONT=宋体]大意如下：[/FONT]​ 227[FONT=宋体]到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]之间收到的申请的例外情况：[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]对于现在符合移民部规定，但收到申请时不符合的人，按现在日期审理（即符合）。对于符合收到申请日期之前的规定，但现在不再符合，参考收到申请日期（即符合）。原则是按有利于申请者应用规定：移民部规定公布前申请人无法自行筛选。[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]如果应用这条注释到[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]种紧缺（另外还有[/FONT]AEO[FONT=宋体]类和临时工类），是否可理解为，[/FONT]227-1128[FONT=宋体]之间的申请，如果递交申请时（应按交简表日期）符合当时规定（大家都符合），但现在不符合（非紧缺），则按符合审理？[/FONT]​点击展开...满怀信心找到我存资料的U盘，希望能找到OP06今年二月份的版本，可惜没有保存全部,只是一小部分...当时也仔细读过,但是上面的这一段话我至少有一半的把握当时的版本里没有,请看一下下面链接中05-08版的OP06前几页http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf的修改记录里,有2009-3-25日:Section 8.2 ? Added this section on assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions and included information from OB 101, question 7.我的猜想,09年3月下旬有了进一步的政策,这也是为什么有些人在差不多的时候收到了退档信...不知我的分析是否有一点点道理,​

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Bonne chance a tous![FONT=宋体]今天又研读了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]，在第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT] Procedure: At the visa office [FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8.2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]Applications made on or after February 27, 2008 ? Assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]有这样的注释：[/FONT]​Exceptions apply to applications received between February 27, 2008, and November 28, 2008. Someone who meets the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions today, but did not meet them on the application received date, should be assessed in relation to today's date and not the application received date. For someone who met the requirements as of the application received date, but no longer meets them, the reference point should be the application received date. The rule of thumb is to apply the requirements in a manner that favors the client. Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.[FONT=宋体]大意如下：[/FONT]227[FONT=宋体]到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]之间收到的申请的例外情况：[/FONT][FONT=宋体]对于现在符合移民部规定，但收到申请时不符合的人，按现在日期审理（即符合）。对于符合收到申请日期之前的规定，但现在不再符合，参考收到申请日期（即符合）。原则是按有利于申请者应用规定：移民部规定公布前申请人无法自行筛选。[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]如果应用这条注释到[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]种紧缺（另外还有[/FONT]AEO[FONT=宋体]类和临时工类），是否可理解为，[/FONT]227-1128[FONT=宋体]之间的申请，如果递交申请时（应按交简表日期）符合当时规定（大家都符合），但现在不符合（非紧缺），则按符合审理？[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]似乎又是一根稻草。。。[/FONT]​点击展开...请问楼主你从哪看到的这根稻草？是哪年哪月的版本呀？ 后面有个TZ附的版本和你的不一样哦。

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提供Fence，铺草，Deck，储屋，筑路，剪草，植树种花等全系列花园订做服务。以最优价格为您打造最美花园！请联系：403-614-0565，李生回复: Big Concern!你们说的好深奥呀！我都没注意了。。。。

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回复: Big Concern![FONT=宋体]今天又研读了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]，在第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT] Procedure: At the visa office [FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8.2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]Applications made on or after February 27, 2008 ? Assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]有这样的注释：[/FONT]​Exceptions apply to applications received between February 27, 2008, and November 28, 2008. Someone who meets the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions today, but did not meet them on the application received date, should be assessed in relation to today's date and not the application received date. For someone who met the requirements as of the application received date, but no longer meets them, the reference point should be the application received date. The rule of thumb is to apply the requirements in a manner that favors the client. Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.[FONT=宋体]大意如下：[/FONT]227[FONT=宋体]到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]之间收到的申请的例外情况：[/FONT][FONT=宋体]对于现在符合移民部规定，但收到申请时不符合的人，按现在日期审理（即符合）。对于符合收到申请日期之前的规定，但现在不再符合，参考收到申请日期（即符合）。原则是按有利于申请者应用规定：移民部规定公布前申请人无法自行筛选。[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]如果应用这条注释到[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]种紧缺（另外还有[/FONT]AEO[FONT=宋体]类和临时工类），是否可理解为，[/FONT]227-1128[FONT=宋体]之间的申请，如果递交申请时（应按交简表日期）符合当时规定（大家都符合），但现在不符合（非紧缺），则按符合审理？[/FONT]​ [FONT=宋体]似乎又是一根稻草。。。[/FONT]​点击展开...俺也仔细读了一遍，227－1128之间的申请确实是象你说的那样，原则上按有利于申请人的情况进行筛选，后面还有一句话，Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public. 就是Ministerial Instructions没正式公布之前申请人无法自知是否符合申请条件。但愿如此。

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回复: Big Concern!请问楼主你从哪看到的这根稻草？是哪年哪月的版本呀？ 后面有个TZ附的版本和你的不一样哦。点击展开...http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf能把你说的那个版本的链接贴过来吗?

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Bonne chance a tous!回复: Big Concern!www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf 应该就是同一个链接。2009.05.08版。

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回复: Big Concern![FONT=宋体]今天又研读了[/FONT]OP06[FONT=宋体]，在第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT] Procedure: At the visa office [FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8.2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]Applications made on or after February 27, 2008 Assessing eligibility under the Ministerial Instructions[FONT=宋体]有这样的注释：[/FONT]Exceptions apply to applications received between February 27, 2008, and November 28, 2008. Someone who meets the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions today, but did not meet them on the application received date, should be assessed in relation to today's date and not the application received date. For someone who met the requirements as of the application received date, but no longer meets them, the reference point should be the application received date. The rule of thumb is to apply the requirements in a manner that favors the client. Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.[FONT=宋体]大意如下：[/FONT]227[FONT=宋体]到[/FONT]1128[FONT=宋体]之间收到的申请的例外情况：[/FONT][FONT=宋体]对于现在符合移民部规定，但收到申请时不符合的人，按现在日期审理（即符合）。对于符合收到申请日期之前的规定，但现在不再符合，参考收到申请日期（即符合）。原则是按有利于申请者应用规定：移民部规定公布前申请人无法自行筛选。[/FONT][FONT=宋体]如果应用这条注释到[/FONT]38[FONT=宋体]种紧缺（另外还有[/FONT]AEO[FONT=宋体]类和临时工类），是否可理解为，[/FONT]227-1128[FONT=宋体]之间的申请，如果递交申请时（应按交简表日期）符合当时规定（大家都符合），但现在不符合（非紧缺），则按符合审理？[/FONT][FONT=宋体]似乎又是一根稻草。。。[/FONT]​点击展开...如果是这样的话，那为什么227-1128之间的案子很多都被退回来了这期间递交的案子应该都是符合当时移民条件的，因为当时移民局并没有正式公布227新政Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.

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匡以整殇 惯以松弛 如果是这样的话，那为什么227-1128之间的案子很多都被退回来了这期间递交的案子应该都是符合当时移民条件的，因为当时移民局并没有正式公布227新政Applicants could not self screen before the Ministerial Instructions were made public.点击展开...编辑后读懂了，我个人觉得这是三月末左右修改的．．．不知道四月份以后还有没有非３８（须符合当时条件）的被退回来？？

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Bonne chance a tous!www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf应该就是同一个链接。2009.05.08版。点击展开...谢谢楼主！似乎这是一根很大的稻草！ 照此推理的话，我也可以安心的等补料信了。 但愿如此！

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提供Fence，铺草，Deck，储屋，筑路，剪草，植树种花等全系列花园订做服务。以最优价格为您打造最美花园！请联系：403-614-0565，李生回复: Big Concern!227－1128之间退料的不少，非38而发了补料信的还没见到。难道这期间段的很多案子都还没开始eligibility review?

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回复: Big Concern!编辑后读懂了，我个人觉得这是三月末左右修改的．．．不知道四月份以后还有没有非３８（须符合当时条件）的被退回来？？点击展开...恩，如果是这样的话，那一部分TZ还是有希望滴

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匡以整殇 惯以松弛 回复: Big Concern!哎，从国外一个论坛上看到，一个移民顾问说无论如何都是要满足38优先职业的，不知道是不是准确。You guys got it wrong, sorry.Read the relevant text carefully. It basically says that if you have an Arranged Employment today but not when you applied, you should still make it through. If you had AE when you applied but no longer have it today, you are still good for processing. That is all. Everyone who applied post Feb. 28th 2008 still has to qualify under the ministerial instructions - either at the time of submission or at the time of decision. If you are not on the 38 occupational list you are still out of luck. Amir Shuval CCIC Member of the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants

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回复: Big Concern!我和你们理解的不同，我觉得，这是在为变更38职业做准备。也就是说，如果38职业变更，则无论怎么变更，都按对申请者有利的方式处理227－1128的申请者。由此判断，CIC会在新职业列表出来之前，把227－1128之间的案子全部处理掉的，以免出现现在不符合将来符合的状况。

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