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本贴论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-54840-1-1.html opinyonlangpo Reality finallycatches up on the sea front. The chinese are in control of the Scarboroughshoal without firing a shot and now Filipino ships are not allowed to fishthere. The coast guard can't do anything, so it means . . . . . . God help thePhilippines. 现实就在海上上演。中国不费一枪一弹就控制了黄岩岛，现在菲律宾船只都不能在那捕鱼了。海岸警卫队毫无作为，这就是说……上帝啊，帮帮菲律宾吧。 nizon pina alis nyo kasiUS bases, yan ang nangyari [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]就因为关闭了美军基地，才会发生这种事。 译注：菲律宾语，意思我猜的 Sherwin Abad hahay there'snothing we can do about it. 笑，我们无可奈何。 opinyonlangpo [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]Sadly its true. Aside from marching and salute, what elsedoes the PMA teach? Much of their graduates are politically inclined, henggewar.com some arecorruptly inclined, now where are those who were trained to protect thesovereignity of the Philippines? 很悲哀的事实。除了走队列和敬礼之外，菲律宾海军学校都教了些什么？他们的许多毕业生都从政了，部分人在贪污，这些原本接受训练保卫菲律宾领土主权的人都在哪呢？ Ismagol 32 ships...isn'tthat an invading armada already? 32艘船……这已经是入侵的舰队了吧？ wawa2172 [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]The chineseinvaded the shoal? No problem it has already invaded the Philippines a longtime ago....the center of government...Mall of Asia. Chinese domestic carrierare PAL and Cebu Pacific..Banks includes PNB, Banco de Oro, Metrobank andothers. In this country, the chinese rocks!!! 中国入侵黄岩岛？没关系，他们早就侵入菲律宾了……政府核心……亚洲市场。华裔的公司在航空方面有菲律宾航空和宿务太平洋航空（译注：菲国内第一和第二大）……银行方面则有菲律宾国际银行、 Banco de Oro、Metrobank（译注：最后两个分别为全国第二和第一大）和其他几个。在这个国家，华人是老大！！！ avmphil As I had posted before, the Tisnoys hold 85% of this nationsequity and that’s how they bought Baguio and turned the henggewar.com pine-city the new"Hong Kong" of the Philippines while many native Igorots are sellingstrawberries rather than sweaters. If you know, what I mean. 正如我之前所说的，在菲律宾出生/生活的华裔菲律宾人控制着全国85%的股票（财富？），他们买下了碧瑶城并把这个松城变成了菲律宾的新“香港”。而许多当地的伊哥罗特人都选择出卖肉体而不是劳动谋生。如果你了解的话，你就知道我在说什么。 igo_roWhich organizationI can send my contribution for the fund of national defense? Nasaan na ang perana pinagbilhan ng mga military bases?I'm an OFW and Ifeel hurt knowing my country always rely on his people which are working asslaves for other nations. [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]我可以把我的钱捐给哪个组织来用于国防支出？我们过去军事基地的那些收益呢？（译注：蒙的，指出租军事基地的租金吧？） 我是一个菲律宾海外劳工，我的祖国常常要靠它的那些在国外像奴隶一样工作的人，这让我的心都碎了。 opinyonlangpo That is a good point you have there, money generated fromthe military bases in the past, present, and future should henggewar.com be used formaintaining and upgrading Phil. defenses. Now where can I send my contributiontoo for national defense fund? 说得很对，过去、现在和将来（出租）军事基地产生的收益都应该用于维护和升级菲律宾的国防力量。现在我可以往哪捐出我为国防经费捐出的钱呢？ mangtom [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]Filipino fishermenare barred from the shoals. What does that mean? Kanila na yong shoal? All we do is talk.In the meantime, the Chinese are increasing their presence in the disputedareas. Ayayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! Kaput! 菲律宾渔民被禁止进入黄岩岛。这什么意思？我们就会说。与此同时，中国正逐步增加争议区域的船只。 ricardo ricafort Then the moreclear violations that these Chinese are doing. Let us submit thesedocuments against them as soon as possible to international courts especiallyin the UN where they have really violated the law. Recently, some Chinesewere caught by South Korea for illegal fishing in their vicinity, within their200 mile EEZ. Our inabilities to arrest these Chinese due to theirnumbers and military advancement, present a clear abuse, harassment andexploitation by them. [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]We have to believe in the rule of law. We are living in civilized worldand thus our best weapon is our civility and intelligence. In the end,just believe Pinoys, the rule of law will reign above all these. Asides,God always is in favor of those who were oppressed. He will not abandonus. Remember that inhistory, henggewar.com those who are mighty evil do reigned for a moment. But in theend, they were defeated and punished. The Japanese, the Germans, allbelieved no one can defeat them during World War II. They did kill a lotof civilians. Now, they have learned their lessons. These Chinesethought that they are the new conquerors just because they have gained a lot intheir economy. But watch out, their economy will collapse soon and theywill be going back to the time where their products are as cheap as theirfeces. 这是中国侵入我国领土的更多证据。我们应该把控告他们的文件尽快地提交给国际法庭和联合国，他们已经严重违反了法律。近来一些中国渔民因为在韩国200海里专属经济区内非法捕捞被韩国逮捕。因为他们的数量众多和军事实力的增强，我们无力逮捕这些中国渔民，他们给我们造成了很明显的伤害、骚扰和渔业掠夺。 我们必须相信法律。我们生活在一个文明社会，因此我们最好的武器是我们的文明和智慧。最后，菲律宾人要相信，法律至高无上。而且，上帝总会帮助受压迫的人，神不会抛弃我们不管的。 要知道从历史上看，邪恶的强权能统治一时，但最终他们会被击败受到惩罚。日本、德国都认为他们在二战中无人能敌。他们屠杀了很多人，但如今他们已经受到了惩罚。中国从经济中受益很多，因此他们现在是新生的强国，但看着吧，他们的经济很快就将崩溃，他们将会回到他们的产品和屎一样一文不值的时代。 simeon2 [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]Call in thesenators who voted out the Americans. 传唤那些投票把美国人赶出去的那些议员们。 mr dt How i wish usa base is back even 1 us base in palawan or in subic should have preventedthese communist chinese invasion and henggewar.com believe me this will not stop the chinesecommunist from incresing its bullying in west philippine sea---- change backthe 1985 constitution and bing 1 us base back to philippine soil Beijing makesmanila miss its u.s. Bases Bring back 1 usabase to philippine islands [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]Estrada is aleader who have no foresight by voting to kick out us base how can any philippine leader kick out usa base without strethening its navyassets & army - 我多么希望美军基地重新回来，美军在巴拉望岛或者苏比克湾的基地能够阻止CCP的入侵。但是相信我，现在改回1985年宪法并让美军基地重返菲律宾已经无法阻止CCP在南海的恐吓了。 北京让马尼拉失去了它的美军基地，应该让美军基地重返菲律宾。 埃斯特拉达投票赶走美军基地证明他毫无远见。 在没有增强自身海军及军事实力的前提下，菲律宾领导人怎么能够赶走美军基地呢？ [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]simeon2 CALL IN THESENATORS WHO VOTED THE AMERICANS OUT...WHERE ARE THEY NOW!!! 传唤那些投票把美国人赶出去的那些议员们……他们现在躲哪去了！！！ mr dt 1991 senators comeout of your hiding -- Philippine have been losing territories since 1995from the red chinese by kicking out usa base ??? 1991 lowbrain power nationalists senators like estrada have the LOWEST IQ ----kicking out USA BASE, you make PHILIPPINE Security OPEN WIDE FREE fora TAKING by a SUPERPOWER ASIAN Neighbor 1991年投票的议员们给我滚出来。因为赶走了美军基地，菲律宾1995年以来就被赤色中国侵占领土。1991年像埃斯特拉达这样弱智的民族主义议员们赶走了美军基地，你让菲律宾国防安全门户洞开并引起了亚洲强有力邻国的兴趣了。 [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]mr dt RED CHINESEINVASION BY AIR AND SEA ONLY Philippine need5000 Torpedo Boat & 7000 Torpedo Jetskis and 10,000 Torpedo Banca will stopred chinese invasion Invasion by AIR Philippine willneed 500,000 volunteers plus Philippine army m-16 to stop red chineseparatroopers volunteers will be train using arrows and long sharpen bamboostick and bolo 赤色中国只能从海空中入侵。 [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]5000艘鱼雷艇、7000艘鱼雷摩托小艇和其他10000艘鱼雷艇将能够阻止赤色中国的入侵。 空中入侵的话，菲律宾需要50万名携带菲律宾军用M-16枪支的志愿者来对付赤色中国的伞兵。这些志愿者要学习使用弓箭、削尖的长竹棍和大砍刀。 breakitdown420 how hard is it toconvince the 90+ million filipinos living here to get to work and build somegunboats? tell the politicians to stop putting money into their own pockets anduse the money to build a fleet of vessels henggewar.com to defend the philippines. where isthe leadership??? maybe the chinese can lead the philippines moreeffiently if the filipino politicians cannot 9000多万生活在这片土地上的菲律宾人努力工作并建造炮艇有那么难吗？告诉那些政客不要把钱放进自己的口袋，用这些钱造舰队来保卫菲律宾。领导人都在哪？？如果菲律宾政客做不到的话，我想可能中国人能更好地领导菲律宾人。 Will Rey [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]At this time it isan exercise in futility to call for a restoration of U.S. bases in thePhilippines. Obama does not have the balls to stand up to China, especiallyduring the presidential campaign. If the Philippines really wants helpin henggewar.com repelling China's expansionist aims in the West Philippine Sea, prayor, better still, help promote Romney's candidacy for the American presidency.Romney will restore American exceptionalism in that region of the world. 这个时候喊着让美军基地重回菲律宾无济于事。奥巴马没种和中国叫板，尤其现在又是在总统竞选期间。如果菲律宾想要有人帮忙来击退中国在南海的扩展企图，那就祈祷，或者更好的办法是投票支持罗姆尼竞选总统。罗姆尼将在这个区域重提美国优越论（例外主义）。 simeon2 Hey Rey, you sound like Estrada... 你说的很像埃斯特拉达。 Will Rey [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]I don't know what Estrada said that sounds just like whatI said. What I mean to say is that if the Philippines really wants U.S.military bases or aid, the chances that U.S. will honor the termsof the Philippine-U.S. Mutual Aid Treaty are infinitely better if Romney or a Republican is the president of the U.S. 我不知道埃斯特拉达的那句话说得像我刚才说的那句。我想说的事，如果菲律宾震得像要美军基地重回或者美国的帮助，那罗姆尼或者共和党人当选总统的话，美国履行美菲共同防御协定的可能性会更大。 Paul_Fivens Tell me how the restoration of US bases in thePhilippines will help? You think if war errupt between Philippines andChina US will move? If by 'accident' China hit one of US ships in theirbases in the Philippines, it will henggewar.com be just an 'accident' and US will accept thatbut it will not go to war with China for that reason alone. 告诉我，美军基地重回菲律宾能起到什么作用？你认为中菲开战美国会介入？如果中国“意外”击中美国在菲律宾基地的一艘船只，这仅仅就是个“意外”，美国会接受并不会就因这个原因和中国开战。 Will Rey [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]P.S. Worry not about the Chinese ships patrolling theScarborough Shoal. They are merely a show of force designed to intimidate theFilipinos into a tacit acceptance of China's claim to sovereignty overthe area. What we have to worry about most is the deafening silenceof the professional protesters, politicians and their supporters alike,at the tense standoff in the Shoal. God help the Philippinesif our influential political leaders are already in the money orpower bag for China and are quietly humming the tune of the Chinese drummer. 还有，担心的不只是中国船只在黄岩岛区域巡逻，这只不过是他们企图强迫菲律宾默认中国整个海洋权益主张的一次武力炫耀。我们更应该担心的是在这次黄岩岛紧张对峙中，抗议者、政客和他们支持者的装聋作哑。如果我们手掌大权的政治领导人已经被中国的金钱或者权势所吸引，投靠中国阵营的话（译注：直译就是偷偷唱着中国鼓手的调子了，我觉得这种翻译方式是否可取值得商榷），那只有上帝能够帮助我们了。 Martin If they barFilipinos fishers, then let's bar the Chinese in the Philippines. 如果他们禁止菲律宾渔民（进入黄岩岛海域），那我们就禁止中国人来菲律宾。 diverme [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]And of coursethere is nothing we can do about it. Thats the honest truth...we neither havethe military means or the economic weapons to do something about this. Even theUS wont help us in this matter. In the end wala talaga tayo magawa and its allour fault 很显然我们对此无计可施，这就是事实……我们既没有军事手段也没有经济手段。美国都不愿意在这件事上帮我们。最后……而这一切都会成为我们的错。 rudyd might as well givethe shoals to the chinese coz the phil government is not doing anything anyway,they're just watching the chinese govt take over that shoals. 除了把黄岩岛让给中国表亲之外，菲律宾政府什么都没做。他们就眼睁睁看着中国政府霸占了黄岩岛。 Abe Smith [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]How do you give away something you don't own? 不属于你自己的东西，你怎么放弃？ rudyd so wtf they're wasting time yapping around if that's notphil territory then? 如果那不是菲律宾的领土的话，那他们（中国）在那废什么话？ Abe Smith [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]China willcapitulate if the Filipinos stop selling Bananas to them. You know how muchChinese like Filipinos bananas.
如果菲律宾停止向中国出售香蕉的话，中国会立马投降。你要知道中国人有多喜欢菲律宾香蕉。笑 thomas deport chinese, nationalizechinese assets 驱逐中国人，没收他们的财产。 Victoria [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]thomas, most of the Chinese in the Philippinesholds Philippine citizenship.They have the right to live in the country. Ourprotests should start by banning Made In China products. Support our productsinstead, and/or start supporting Made in Vietnam, Thailand, and otherASEAN counties. It will work, and the environment is better off too, withoutthe Made in China cr_p! People Power against Chinese products! 楼主，大部分在菲中国人都有菲律宾国籍。他们有权在这个国家生存，我们的抗议应该首先抵制中国货。支持我们自己的国产替代品，或者以从越南泰国以及其他东盟国家的进口来代替。这会起作用的，而且没有垃圾中国货环境也会变得更好！让我们团结起来对抗中国货吧！ MagicQuad Ban anything imported from china! Total embargonow! 禁止任何从中国的进口！现在开始彻底地禁运！ TUBAGBOHOL.com [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]Where are the 12Philippine Senators who kicked out the US Military Base? 那些提议撤销美国军事基地的12位菲律宾议员们跑哪去了？ joanne show your faces senators.. now you know what you've done 出来让大家看看……现在你知道你做的是什么了。 EVILCOUPLE [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]We already lostthey will build garrison on that island, the government must protest to theintl court or to the UN. 我们已经输了，他们会再岛上驻防，政府应该向国际法院或者联合国提告。 WAJ Take this problemto the UN. Who is the PI representative anyway. 把这个问题提交联合国。菲律宾驻联合国代表干什么吃的。 Earl [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]The best thing todo, is also to pressure the chinese businessmen taking advantage of our market. 最好的办法就是：向那些从我们市场获利的中国商人施压。 JaDee P p*tang ina mgaPulitiko kayo! 操政客他X。 Juan [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]If they bar ourfishers in our own waters then it's time to bar chinese businessman from miningin the Philippines. They had a lot of illegal miners here, the problem is thatthey bribe local politician. . The National Government should look at thismatters and imposed stricter rules if not put all the requirement unto them tostop them from exploiting our resources. . Pahirapan nating silang kumuha ngpermit. . 如果他们禁止我们的渔民进入我们自己的水域，那我们就应该禁止在菲律宾采矿的中国商人。有很多中国人在菲律宾非法采矿，问题就在于他们向当地政客们行贿了。国家政府应该正视这个问题并颁布严格的法律阻止他们开采我们的资源。不给他们颁布许可证。 John Sulayman This is stupid.Don't you communists have enough land and water? We only have a few coast guardboats monitoring the area and they claim that we're the ones whoare aggravating the tension when it is they who send 32 ships to ourwaters just to show whatever point they wish to show and deny us our rights tofish and explore? And yet they'reAFRAID to go to the ITLOS just to justify their claims to the waters, whichjust goes to show that they know that they are going to lose this battle ofdiplomacy and would rather resort to INTIMIDATION when they want to claim whatthey think and imagine is rightfully theirs. 这太愚蠢了。CCP有满足的时候吗？我们只有一些海岸警卫的船只在监控该区域，而他们还说我们是加剧紧张局势的一方。而与此同时他们往我们水域派了32艘船只为所欲为，并且否认我们捕鱼和生产的权利？ [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]而且他们也不敢在国际法庭冲裁他们的主权主张，这表明它们清楚他们将会在外交战线中失败，因此他们在声索他们想象和认为是属于他们的时候宁愿诉诸恐吓手段。 blue4cor Scarborough Shoalswill stay forever in our seas. There is no technology that can transfer oneplace to another location. 黄岩岛永远属于我们。这点永远也不会改变。 kapitanBagwis Prayer warriors,start a prayer rally sincerely asking the Almighty God to intercede and send these Chinese back where they belong. [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]为勇士们祈祷，我们真诚地祈祷，让全能的上帝帮助我们，让中国人回到属于他们的地盘。 INQ_reader I'm confused whatthe Chinese expect from this show of numbers. Do they expect the PhilippineCoast Guard to fold up? Do they expect to world opinion to side with them, andagainst the Philippines? 中国派出这么多船只我很不解。他们想要菲律宾海岸警卫队让步？他们希望世界舆论站到他们那边并反对菲律宾。 SimounIbarra Yes and No. [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]Yes - They expect us to fold. No - They don't want this escalating to International sensation. 说对了一半。 对的：他们想要我们让步。 不对：他们不想搞得尽人皆知。 Margie [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]It is time tobuild our own ships. We should put budget into it and try to use all availableresources we have. 应该打造我们自己的船只了。我们应该投入预算并用上我们所有可能的资源。 Tsinoy Texas Boy hey dude dont be too selfish 你别这么自私。 bahog_itlog [ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]My helplessmotherland is raped by her neighbor for the world to see. 我那无助的祖国被她的邻居当着全世界的面强暴。 Mario_Garcia That is what weget from creating a lot of noise, we should have settled the matter silentlyand seek to gain something from it. Our futile cries here will serve nofurther good to our current situation. Let the wisdom of our governmentofficials handle this for now. 这就是我们闹哄哄所取得的成效，我们应该安静地解决该问题然后寻求获得些什么。对于我们当前的处境来说，无效的哭喊无济于事。我们政府官员的智慧发挥出来解决此事。评论
回复: 知己知彼；看看菲律宾网民的反应----炸锅了！他们很爱神
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回复: 知己知彼；看看菲律宾网民的反应----炸锅了！可怜菲律宾。跟我们的大清时候一样。
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回复: 知己知彼；看看菲律宾网民的反应----炸锅了！就像你们家保姆的抱怨一样，没有一点血性。应该派几个家园网友过去，帮他们来骂娘。
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早起的虫子被鸟吃回复: 知己知彼；看看菲律宾网民的反应----炸锅了！其实现在菲律宾政府根中国政府都是一个吊样，欺软怕硬，贪污，对内狠。两国就算合并了也是很自然的事，因为都是一个模样。
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回复: 知己知彼；看看菲律宾网民的反应----炸锅了！菲律宾人的英语是不错
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