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我咨询各位大佬一个问题:如果培训经理经常以英语语言问题对你横加指责并且对你区别对待是不是算一种歧视?因为我永远无法达到native的水平。具体是这样，我们刚上了个培训经理，我4个月前已经培训结束，surpervisor已经signed off，和我同期白人的培训没事，对我他又多设几个考察，比如mock，和rephrase，问他说你英语问题，还说我们交流没问题，你能理解我，我也理解你，弄得我都糊涂了。我说那就不是英语问题，是沟通技巧，他同意，然后我说沟通是双向的balabal，，，，他竟然认为给我说话时要发好每个音说的clear是个负担，原话是I must speak clarely to u.我认为说明白是对每个人的尊重，最起码的吧，他年龄大了说话吞音。既然双向沟通那他也有责任不是，他自相矛盾。如果是在培训中给我小灶我会感激他，现在他应该是给我小鞋吧？一句话，如果你因为英语问题被区别对待了，算不算歧视?另外遇到这种事怎么办?感觉建立信任好难。如果他一直对我“关照”下去，我会非常有受挫感，或者他歧视我对我区别对待?或者我去哪个机构咨询一下?这样算不算歧视?因为我们永远达不到native的水平。

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong回复: 这样算不算歧视?我找到安省的法按了，是歧视，language related，下一步该取证了。

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong回复: 这样算不算歧视?支持, 这个问题 ，每个移民都会面对，进来学习下；

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?支持, 这个问题 ，每个移民都会面对，进来学习下；点击展开...欢迎大家讨论。以前旅游没发现歧视，找个工作之后发现根本不是那回事，若有口音，老外真是的会歧视你。

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong回复: 这样算不算歧视?谈不上是歧视吧？顺畅交流本就是正常工作的前提。希望楼主换个角度看问题，也许你的培训经理确实不是在刁难你。

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生活的意义在于不停折腾，没有困难制造困难也要上。。。。。。。。谈不上是歧视吧？顺畅交流本就是正常工作的前提。希望楼主换个角度看问题，也许你的培训经理确实不是在刁难你。点击展开...也许他是为了帮我，以便我顺利进行下一个阶段培训，但是我上一个阶段培训已经结束还拿出来，不是为难我算啥?另外怎么定义顺畅交流?说话吞音，满口俚语，语速很快，我当然听不明白，但是关键是不吞音，正常语速的时候我都能听懂并且交流。

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong回复: 这样算不算歧视?楼主稍安勿躁哦。我觉得你考虑歧视是个很下策的，这样一来反而把事情弄僵了。而且以后你单位的其他人会人人自危，恐怕都没人敢跟你说话了。

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?楼主稍安勿躁哦。我觉得你考虑歧视是个很下策的，这样一来反而把事情弄僵了。而且以后你单位的其他人会人人自危，恐怕都没人敢跟你说话了。点击展开...谢谢关心指导

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong也许他是为了帮我，以便我顺利进行下一个阶段培训，但是我上一个阶段培训已经结束还拿出来，不是为难我算啥? 另外怎么定义顺畅交流?说话吞音，满口俚语，语速很快，我当然听不明白，但是关键是不吞音，正常语速的时候我都能听懂并且交流。点击展开... 吞音、俚语。。。。。这些确实是学外语的难点，文化背景不同。没办法。如果我们和老外说，你这个马大哈或者狐狸精，估计老外也晕菜。我们不可能要求老外像新闻主持人那样字正腔圆地和我们说话，只能是我们尽量去适应了，尽管很难。我也最头疼和口音重的老外打交道。

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生活的意义在于不停折腾，没有困难制造困难也要上。。。。。。。。回复: 这样算不算歧视?To Gong, I think this is the perfect moment for you to conduct a crucial conversation with your management staff.Here is the link: http://www.vitalsmarts.com/events/webinars/ *Try to log in and watch the 45 minutes webinars; it's an interesting and rewarding experience. Complaining the situation doesn't help in improving your current status quo.

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?我咨询各位大佬一个问题:如果培训经理经常以英语语言问题对你横加指责并且对你区别对待是不是算一种歧视?因为我永远无法达到native的水平。 具体是这样，我们刚上了个培训经理，我4个月前已经培训结束，surpervisor已经signed off，和我同期白人的培训没事，对我他又多设几个考察，比如mock，和rephrase，问他说你英语问题，还说我们交流没问题，你能理解我，我也理解你，弄得我都糊涂了。我说那就不是英语问题，是沟通技巧，他同意，然后我说沟通是双向的balabal，，，，他竟然认为给我说话时要发好每个音说的clear是个负担，原话是I must speak clarely to u.我认为说明白是对每个人的尊重，最起码的吧，他年龄大了说话吞音。既然双向沟通那他也有责任不是，他自相矛盾。如果是在培训中给我小灶我会感激他，现在他应该是给我小鞋吧？ 一句话，如果你因为英语问题被区别对待了，算不算歧视? 另外遇到这种事怎么办?感觉建立信任好难。如果他一直对我“关照”下去，我会非常有受挫感，或者他歧视我对我区别对待?或者我去哪个机构咨询一下?这样算不算歧视?因为我们永远达不到native的水平。点击展开...看上去和工作相关，不是歧视。

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http://www.canadameet.com回复: 这样算不算歧视?好像不是重复他传递给你的信息，如果他觉得你领会得足够好，反馈回来的足够好，就会放心很多。还有就是，如果发生第一次没听懂，要重复的情况，你第二次就主动给mentor讲这个东西，打消他的疑虑。总之，就proactive，是不是会好些。我估计他可能对你有什么地方不放心。

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?谢谢 ，看完了，但是我没那个护士那样的技巧。 To Gong, I think this is the perfect moment for you to conduct a crucial conversation with your management staff.Here is the link: http://www.vitalsmarts.com/events/webinars/ *Try to log in and watch the 45 minutes webinars; it's an interesting and rewarding experience. Complaining the situation doesn't help in improving your current status quo.点击展开...

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong回复: 这样算不算歧视?这个你怨不得别人，怨自己英语不够好就是了。谁让你来到别人的国家了呢，还让人不用自己的方式和你说英语？

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吃不饱的出来，吃饱的不出来，吃饱了撑的出来。好像不是 重复他传递给你的信息，如果他觉得你领会得足够好，反馈回来的足够好，就会放心很多。还有就是，如果发生第一次没听懂，要重复的情况，你第二次就主动给mentor讲这个东西，打消他的疑虑。总之，就proactive，是不是会好些。我估计他可能对你有什么地方不放心。点击展开...

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong这个你怨不得别人，怨自己英语不够好就是了。谁让你来到别人的国家了呢，还让人不用自己的方式和你说英语？点击展开...英语不好就受到区别对待吗？即使你讲中文，如果你说的不好或者不清楚，我也有权利让你说清楚吧。 你还是看看我给你的链接，看看宪章怎么规定的吧，language related discrimination linked with place of origin, race. 还是那句话，如果我在培训中，他怎么折腾我都行，我感激不尽，现在是结束培训了给我小鞋穿。 Language-related grounds of discrimination: ancestry, ethnic origin, place of origin, racePage controlsPrinter-friendly version+ show tagsLanguageEnglishFrançais Book Prev / Next NavigationPrevious Next TagsDiscrimination Type: constructive (adverse effect), harassment Page contentThe first language we learn is frequently the language spoken by our parents or guardians and others who take care of us as children. There is almost inevitably a link between the language we speak or the accent with which we speak a particular language on the one hand, and our ancestry, ethnic origin or place of origin on the other.[4]A person's accent is also often associated with her or his "mother tongue" or place of origin. Because a person's accent is usually related to her or his ancestry, ethnic origin or place of origin, the Code can be infringed when someone is denied employment, service, housing, or is otherwise discriminated against because of an accent. In these kinds of situations, the underlying discrimination is often actually based on ancestry, place of origin and, or ethnic origin.Example: After an interview for a job as a school bus driver, a woman from Quebec, whose first language is French, was told she would not be hired for the position because she does not speak English fluently. She believed that she did have adequate command of English, but that she was turned down because her first language is French. Fluency in English was not identified as an essential feature of the job. Since one's "mother tongue" is closely associated with ancestry,[5] to deny a person employment because she is French-speaking could constitute a violation of the Code on the ground of "ancestry". Also, as she is from Quebec, "place of origin" could be cited as a secondary ground in the claim.[6]Example: A teacher, originally from Poland, was on a school board's substitute teacher's list from which individuals are selected for short-term assignments. A period of time went by when he was not selected from this list for temporary assignments. The teacher learned that a note had been attached to his file which said that he did not speak English. The teacher filed a human rights application, and at a hearing before the Tribunal, the respondent indicated that the note should have stated that the complainant spoke English with an "accent" and therefore should not be assigned to substitute for teachers in English or Social Studies classes. The Tribunal ruled that the teacher was discriminated against because of his accent which is directly related to his ancestry or place of origin.[7]​There can also be situations in which the issue of fluency in a language or a person's accent in speaking a particular language, can be used to mask discrimination based on race.Example: An African Canadian woman grew up in North Africa, speaking Italian. She had also studied in Italy. She applied for a position as a social worker with a community organization. The job description stated that, in addition to the technical skills and experience as a social worker that would be required for the job, competence in speaking "Italian, Portuguese or Chinese would be an asset". Although she was the best qualified applicant, she was denied the position because the agency felt that its client group would not be able to relate to "how" she spoke Italian, that is, her accent. She felt that her race was the real reason she was not hired and subsequently filed an application with the Tribunal.​

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关注YouTube channel：gonghaiyong回复: 这样算不算歧视?既然他是培训经理，用简单明了的语言说明问题是他的责任。可以找上司解决。

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?我觉得负责培训的那个guy可能觉到你有质疑他的地方了，先不管对与错，先搞好关系再说吧，新人一般来说都要保持一个低姿态。搞好关系： 主动打招呼；找话题寒暄；或帮买咖啡；吃饭时套瓷；看他究竟哪里不满意了。这也是别人告诉我的方法，尝试尝试吧，反正礼多人不怪嘛。把关系弄僵了，很影响上班的心情的。要挑战培训经理？很大程度上，结果是鸡蛋碰石头，你们公司如果不信任他就不会把他放到那个位置上。不好意思，说话很直接。

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?语言问题能够成歧视吗？英语是移民必须要过的坎，官方语言啊，政府也是这样倡导的，办移民签证时不是还需要雅思成绩？如果按照lz的思路，这也是歧视吗？异国生活工作挑战很大，敞开心胸，坦然面对，相信lz也是一时的怨气而已，还是努力提高积极沟通吧，祝lz好运

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回复: 这样算不算歧视?高人高见，他就是不放心我下一个阶段的培训我是否能领会，另外听别人说我不积极的一个story。 但是那个story 仅仅是misunderstood，他说有人看见我没有做自己的分内工作，实际情况是我正在做，还没做完。我给他解释了，他说要check 一下。我说你尽快check，那个管闲事的老外已经给我道歉了，说误解我了。 另外，我的manager说，我才不管什么story呢，如果我感觉你哪个地方做的不对就会直接告诉你，或者我觉得你做的不对就直接告诉你怎么做。感觉这才是老外的思维，反正我的manager一直cover me，至今没让培训经理问我，重新讨论的training path。但是他也提醒我，不知道为什么培训经理要chew me off，还是好好准备一下。点击展开...还有story？也够复杂的公司！lz是什么行业啊

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